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  Make America Great Again

  by David.L.Henson in

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  AOC Wears this dress at a 35K per plate meal. When you are a south american immigrant, this means everyone you meet is "rich". Very dangerous. This is not great.

  
  
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  How do JW feel about CBD?

  by Iamallcool in

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  i am not so sure if i am willing to discuss cbd with my jw aunt.

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  I feel pretty relaxed about it.
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  Good News : Delta is Dying

  by Sea Breeze in

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  delta is dying.

  new cdc findings show that we’re closer than ever to the end of the pandemic..

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  I also heard Bill Gates invented auto correct. May he burn in hello.

  
  
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  Good News : Delta is Dying

  by Sea Breeze in

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  delta is dying.

  new cdc findings show that we’re closer than ever to the end of the pandemic..

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  Delta is Dying

  New CDC findings show that we’re closer than ever to the end of the pandemic.
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  1995 generation change

  by Gorb in

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  now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

  it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

  with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

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  I remember where I was sitting when the article came out. The heat started in my gut and slowly rose to me chest, then shoulders and then finally my ears. I thought I was going to explode. I called my mom and told here that it was ridiculous how we were lied to for some many years.
  
  It was the last straw for me. I never went to another meeting after that article came out. I rented my house out and attended university at the age of 31 as a proud agnostic. Slowly, I began to understand that I had never been a Christian and that generations of my family had been hoodwinked.
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  Were early Gentile Christians familiar with the FATHER OF JESUS?

  by pistolpete in

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  the first christians were mainly of jewish decent and christianity began as a jewish sect.

  jesus was a thoroughly dedicated practicing jew who never suggested the launch of a new religion.

  jesus lived and died a dedicated jew.

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  PPete: So there was a rumor, big deal. I would be surprised if there wasn't rumors since Jesus taught that there were just two laws, love God and love your neighbor as yourself. Pretty shocking stuff to a Jewish mind....but to a Gentile , they were diggin' it.
  
  There were plenty of rumors about Jesus too. (about foods and the washing of hands for instance) Jesus fired back when he said that it wasn't what went into a mouth that defiled a man, but what came out of it" - Wow!
  
  I bet a lot of rumors followed that announcement. Paul is no different than Jesus.

  Your dust up about Jesus and James and Peter being zealous for the Torah while Paul supposedly wasn't is much ado about nothing.
  

  Again, (even leaving out 2 Peter references), the undisputable facts are :

  1. We know Paul spent 15 days in Peter's house. James - Jesus' brother was also there for the discussions as well.

  2. 14 years later, Paul comes to Jerusalem where he updates the other apostles on what he has been teaching the Gentiles and they "add nothing to him" and all extend the right hand of fellowship.

  3. 1 Peter spoke about the the Substitutionary atonement, same as Paul did:

  "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed". 1 Peter 2: 24

  1 Pet. 3: 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened [made alive] by the Spirit:

  There have never been two gospels.... only one.

  If your assertions are true, why didn't the other apostles add anything to Paul when he went to Jerusalem to check if the message he had been preaching was the same as the one the other apostles were preaching?
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  Were early Gentile Christians familiar with the FATHER OF JESUS?

  by pistolpete in

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  the first christians were mainly of jewish decent and christianity began as a jewish sect.

  jesus was a thoroughly dedicated practicing jew who never suggested the launch of a new religion.

  jesus lived and died a dedicated jew.

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  And they had No idea to what extant Paul had deviated from the message that they preach of Jesus Christ.

  Pistolpete, let's review the Facts:

  1. We know Paul spent 15 days in Peter's house. James - Jesus' brother was also there for the discussions as well.

  2. 14 years later, Paul comes to Jerusalem where he updates the other apostles on what he has been teaching the Gentiles and they "add nothing to him" and all extend the right hand of fellowship.

  3. Then after that, Peter writes this:
  
  

  2 Pet. 3: 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

  17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

  
  Paul was a first rate philosopher. Just read his writings and you will see that. Peter defends Paul when some were taking what Paul wrote and were twisting into it into something that it wasn't.... to their own destruction. He warned about being "led away" by the error of the wicked - presumably those that were twisting Paul's words. Peter calls Paul a "beloved brother".

  
  Peter also wrote on the same topics as Paul, like the Substitutionary Atonement :
  
  

  Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1 Peter 2: 24

  1 Pet. 3: 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened [made alive] by the Spirit:

  The Watchtower rejects the Substitutionary Atonement taught by Peter and Paul and tries to claim that Jesus paid back what Adam lost! Not much has changed.

  
  

  The facts above do not support your proposed dual gospel. In Galatians 1: 8-9 Paul announces a double curse for anyone who preaches a different gospel than what he and the other believers preached.

  Substitutionary Atonement and Vicarious death have been bedrock Christian doctrine since the beginning unto this very day. Thousands of years of vicarious animal sacrifice in the OT prepared people for not only the concept of vicarious punishment, but also for the appearance of the Lamb of God who died in our place.

  It is an amazingly unified message that spans scores of writers, over more than a dozen centuries.
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  Were early Gentile Christians familiar with the FATHER OF JESUS?

  by pistolpete in

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  the first christians were mainly of jewish decent and christianity began as a jewish sect.

  jesus was a thoroughly dedicated practicing jew who never suggested the launch of a new religion.

  jesus lived and died a dedicated jew.

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  As Gentiles starting converting to Paul’s form of Christianity, (For he was an apostle to the Gentiles only) the basis of conversion was on the teachings of Paul and not the teachings of the 12 apostles of Jesus. The teaching of both were very different.

  Whoa... not so fast. Galatians 2 :

  "Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother....

  Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also... And I...communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles...lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain. .....they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me...they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter... to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles.

  And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship;"

  Pistolpete: If your assertions are true, why didn't the other apostles add anything to Paul when he went to Jerusalem to check if the message he had been preaching was the same as the one the other apostles were preaching?
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  Should Biden Have Mandated Vaccinations Today?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  biden mandated widespread covid shots today.. "we've been patient," biden announced.

  "but our patience is wearing thin, and your refusal has cost all of us.".

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  The J&J jab is supposed to be a more traditional approach to vaccination without tweaking the DNA.
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  Jehovah GOD a failed GOD in many respects.

  by smiddy3 in

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  isn`t there enough evidence to acknowledge the god of the bible has been a failure ?according to wt / jw teachings ?.

  a god that has supposed to have created the visible universe and everything in it ?.

  some points where i would challenge that from an earthlings point of view using the bible if only in paraphrase.. doesn`t god create everything perfect ?

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  God could allow evil to happen...but protect the innocent and punish the evil ones

  Anony Mous - Thanks for playing along.

  How can God allow evil while at the same time protect the innocent? I see at least two problems with that scenario.

  First, of all evil requires victims. Evil is only apparent when acted upon. Its like designing an engine without fuel. You will never have measurable evil without victims. Evil and its victims are integral components of free-will and prove its existence is real.

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  There is no one innocent. Kids before the age of accountability are the exception. We have all broken the 10 commandments.

  A slightly modified version of what you suggest is carefully laid out by a man who walked out of a tomb, making it very difficult for a thinking person to ignore what he said: "You must be born again".
  
  This creates the "innocent" that you posit in your scenario. Your scenario now looks more like a biblical model of salvation.

  God may judge sin, he doesn’t execute any judgements when it is relevant.

  I think that is a more legitimate concern. Two things: There is something called instant karma that happens. People draw into their life what they project out and it can be substantial misery. This isn't judgment, but some sort of natural law on how things work.

  Hebrews 9:27 reads "it is appointed unto man once to die and then judgement".
  
  God placed the primary time to judge after a person has died. This life is not a time of judgement but of grace.
  
  "I did not come into the world to judge it, but to save it" - Jesus

  We could take issue with God's lack of judging in the here and now....but once he starts the judging, he'll have to see it until the end.

  Which would largely prohibit the formation of the "innocent" in your scenario, since we are all guilty.